[wpe-webkit] AArch64 builds in AUR

Tue Mar 5 05:20:26 PST 2019

FYI all your packages work and build without issues, and I've opened a
thread in ArchLinuxARM forum.

Let's see what happens there
https://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=13469 👋

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:12 PM Adrian Perez de Castro <aperez at igalia.com>
wrote:

> Hi Andrea,
>
> On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 08:59:37 +0100, Andrea Giammarchi <
> andrea.giammarchi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Adrián please flag those as usable in AArch64 too, [...]
>
> Done, I have pushed an update for the AUR packages “libwpe”, “libwpe-git”,
> “wpebackend-fdo”, and “wpebackend-fdo-git” — they are directly buildable on
> AArch64 now (though you could have downloaded the PKGBUILDs and edit them
> before building already before).
>
> > [...] but I'm not sure why you mentioned webkit2gtk is already there.
>
> Because if the WebKitGTK package is being built for ARM devices, that means
> that somehow the Arch Linux ARM developers already have some way of
> building
> big packages — and it *has to be possible* to build WPE WebKit as well.
>
> > Yes, it is, and it works too, but it's not HW accelerated and it fails
> > trying to initialize Open GL (it doesn't try GLES, not sure there's a way
> > to force that).
>
> WebKitGTK can use OpenGL ES, if built passing “-DENABLE_GLES2=ON” to CMake.
> Of course it will still need GTK+, this only switches between using
> “desktop”
> OpenGL and OpenGL ES2.
>
> > If libwpe and wpebackend are built, are you say webkit2gtk could benefit
> > specifying a different backend or forcing that backend on Wayland?
>
> The WebKit *GTK* port does not use libwpe/wpebackend-* — only the WPE
> WebKit
> port needs them.
>
> > Anyway, one step at the time. Let's start with those two bricks buildable
> > on a Pi3. Even if those wouldn't build it's AUR, nothing bad happens ;-)
> >
> > As soon as updated, I'll re-confirm everything is fine 👋
>
> As written above, you should be able to build “libwpe” and “wpebackend-fdo”
> from the AUR now.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> -Adrián
>
>
> > On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 2:53 PM Adrian Perez de Castro <
> aperez at igalia.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Andrea,
> > >
> > > On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 23:24:56 +0100, Andrea Giammarchi <
> > > andrea.giammarchi at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > While I am quite confident that things *should* work on AArch64
> > > >
> > > > libwpe-git builds out of the box but wpewebkit is, indeed
> non-compilable
> > > > from the Pi3+
> > >
> > > Given that you tried building it already, I could mark “libwpe-git” as
> > > available for AArch64. Is there any chance that you could also try the
> > > “libwpe”, “wpebackend-fdo”, and “wpebackend-fdo-git” packages? Those
> are
> > > small and should build fine in the Raspberry Pi itself.
> > >
> > > As you point out, the main issue will be the “wpebackend-git” and
> > > “wpebackend” packages. The “webkit2gtk” [1] package is available in
> > > Arch Linux ARM, so
> > >
> > > > > Having packages readily available for Raspbian ...
> > > >
> > > > That's the thing, ArchLinux has already everything updated compared
> to
> > > > Raspbian, and AUR has, AFAIK, no Raspbian equivalent.
> > >
> > > Yes, that is indeed a good thing of Arch Linux in genera: available
> > > packages
> > > tend to be quite up to date :-)
> > >
> > > > We could have stable on AUR, and dev/test builds still on AUR, as
> it's
> > > been
> > > > the case for most platform that needs actual real tests, not just
> final
> > > > stable user-land ready releases (i.e. proton, wine, and friends).
> > > >
> > > > > The main issue I see here is that in particular the “wpewebkit”
> package
> > > > > would take ages to build on the Raspberry Pi
> > > >
> > > > My idea is that it doesn't need to be built on a Pi, and I'm sure
> there
> > > is
> > > > a way to cross-build anything on ArchLinux, 'cause Cairo, GTK and
> others,
> > > > are surely not built on a Pi.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe we can start a thread in the ArchLinuxARM forum about this,
> and see
> > > > what's the outcome?
> > >
> > > Probably a good idea. Would you be interested in asking and getting the
> > > discussion started?
> > >
> > > I would greatly appreciate that someone else takes care of leading on
> that
> > > front because my plate has already too much on it — I will be more than
> > > happy
> > > to help out with doubts there may be (about WebKit, WPE, etc.) and
> maybe
> > > helping out a bit on the side with the technical parts.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > -Adrián
> > >
> > > ---
> > > [1] https://archlinuxarm.org/packages/aarch64/webkit2gtk
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 6:44 PM Adrian Perez de Castro <
> > > aperez at igalia.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello Andrea!
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 14:29:59 +0100, Andrea Giammarchi <
> > > > > andrea.giammarchi at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Dear WPE WebKit team,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   I've just recently discovered your project and I'm the author
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > defunct project Benja [1] and also the post about having a
> > > minimalistic
> > > > > > WebKitGTK+ kiosk mode on the Raspberry Pi 3.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've always preferred WebKit on ARM for the simple reason that
> > > Chromium
> > > > > > never cared much to be there or, in general, to support Wayland
> where
> > > > > > possible.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The reason I am here is Sam Decrock and his recent post on how to
> > > build
> > > > > WPE
> > > > > > for the RPi3 via Buildroot.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You probably know already that AUR contains already libwpe +
> > > > > > libwpe-git, wpewebkit, and wpebackend-fdo, which I believe is the
> > > whole
> > > > > > stack needed to start WPE.
> > > > >
> > > > > As a matter of fact, I am pretty much aware of the AUR packages,
> > > because
> > > > > I am the one maintaining them :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > On top of those three packages (libwpe, wpebackend-fdo, and
> wpewebkit)
> > > you
> > > > > will need an actual “web browser” or, as we prefer to call
> something
> > > that
> > > > > is not a full-fledged browser, a WPE “launcher”. Given that your
> goal
> > > is to
> > > > > have a kiosk mode browser, I would recommend Cog [1] — for which
> there
> > > is
> > > > > a package in the AUR as well [2].
> > > > >
> > > > > > However, none of those packages target also aarch64, and on top
> of
> > > that,
> > > > > > none of them is already built for the RPi3.
> > > > >
> > > > > The reason why none of the packages are marked as available for
> > > AArch64 is
> > > > > simple: lack of testing. Personally I am not particularly
> comfortable
> > > to
> > > > > add
> > > > > the platform as supported if I have not built and tried the
> packages
> > > for a
> > > > > new architecture. Which is also the reason why there is no
> > > “wpebackend-rdk”
> > > > > package yet (my main focus is the “-fdo” backend).
> > > > >
> > > > > While I am quite confident that things *should* work on AArch64
> > > because now
> > > > > and then I do builds for the Raspberry Pi 3 myself using
> Buildroot, I
> > > do
> > > > > not
> > > > > have spare time right now to do the same for the AUR packages. If
> > > anyone
> > > > > would
> > > > > be willing to help out building and testing them for AArch64 (or
> other
> > > > > architectures), then I would be super happy give some guidance and
> to
> > > add
> > > > > AArch64 as supported.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Having a pre built, up-to-date version, of your stack, would make
> > > > > > prototyping in the most used embedded device a no brainer, and it
> > > will
> > > > > also
> > > > > > help projects being updates, without the need to create yet
> another
> > > > > > distribution platform to update non official stable releases.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Accordingly, for the sake of providing the best browser out
> there for
> > > > > IoT &
> > > > > > DYI related projects, and for an officially declared LTS
> platform as
> > > the
> > > > > > RPi3 is, I wonder if there is any interest in publishing these
> > > "bricks"
> > > > > as
> > > > > > AUR aarch64 packages that will make the creation of anything Web
> > > based
> > > > > via
> > > > > > ArchLinux finally a reality.
> > > > >
> > > > > I completely agree with you: having prebuilt packages (or images)
> for
> > > > > popular
> > > > > platforms like the Raspberry Pi would definitely help people who
> want
> > > to
> > > > > try
> > > > > out things quickly and tinker with WPE WebKit. Having packages
> readily
> > > > > available for Raspbian (which is a very popular option) would be
> great
> > > as
> > > > > well.
> > > > >
> > > > > One of my long term plans has been having ready-to-use images built
> > > using
> > > > > Buildroot for the Raspberry Pi 3 built automatically for official
> > > releases,
> > > > > and maybe even some kind of “tech preview” monthly builds. Just
> last
> > > week
> > > > > we got the base packages and Cog into the “next” branch [3], so
> > > prebuilt
> > > > > images are getting closer to being a reality.
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'm here to help as I can or, if you can tell me how to build
> from a
> > > PC
> > > > > all
> > > > > > the needed parts using system libraries so that I can produce
> such
> > > > > > packages, I'd love to create rpi3-libwpe, rpi3-wpewebkit, and
> > > > > > rpi3-wpebackend-fdo for the already awesome ArchLinuxARM
> community.
> > > > >
> > > > > The main issue I see here is that in particular the “wpewebkit”
> package
> > > > > would take ages to build on the Raspberry Pi, and it could even be
> > > that the
> > > > > linker would fail due to running out of memory. Ideally one would
> cross
> > > > > compile from a powerful machine, which apparently is possible using
> > > distcc,
> > > > > according to the Arch Linux ARM wiki [4]. That would still need a
> > > “master”
> > > > > ARM device to distribute compilation to other machine(s), and the
> > > linker
> > > > > would run on the master ARM device and running out of memory is
> still a
> > > > > possibility :-\
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you have any idea if cross compiling an Arch Linux package is
> > > possible
> > > > > without needing a “master” ARM device? That would be helpful.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you in advance for any sort of outcome.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1] http://benja.io
> > > > > > [2]
> > > > >
> > >
> https://medium.com/@WebReflection/a-minimalistic-64-bit-web-kiosk-for-rpi-3-98e460419b47
> > > > > > [3]
> > > > >
> > >
> https://medium.com/@decrocksam/building-web-applications-for-wpe-webkit-using-node-js-3347146013f3
> > > > >
> > > > > I hope the above helps out a bit, at least to understand the
> situation.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -Adrián
> > > > >
> > > > > ---
> > > > > [1] https://github.com/Igalia/cog
> > > > > [2] https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/cog/
> > > > > [3] e.g.
> > > https://git.busybox.net/buildroot/tree/package/wpewebkit?h=next
> > > > > [4] https://archlinuxarm.org/wiki/Distcc_Cross-Compiling
> > > > >
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