[Webkit-unassigned] [Bug 16401] [GTK] GObject/C DOM binding

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https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16401





--- Comment #230 from Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl at lkcl.net>  2009-07-15 03:10:23 PDT ---
(In reply to comment #229)
> (In reply to comment #227)
> > that will make webkit a third rate citizen as far as free software
> > community support from apple is concerned.
> 
> 1. This has nothing to do with apple; we are the webkit project, not apple.

 ahh, that's good to hear.  given that the key reviewers with the most
 objections and the least willingness to engage in technical discussions
 that counter those objections were apple employees, i was under the
 mistaken impression that apple controlled webkit.

 if the webkit project is willing to engage and discuss the researched
 material (which, i have to point out, has been requested ten times now)
 shown from here onwards (#121 - #127):
   https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16401#c121

 if the webkit project is willing to review those responses, which were
 made in response to review comments, we can move forward!

 which is brilliant.  i'm encouraged that you are willing to do that.


> 2. I am as Free Software community as you are, and know that Epiphany, Midori,
> Empathy, Devhelp are very happily using WebKitGTK+, despite whatever you think.

 ah - thank you for saying this, because you highlight a mistake that i made
 in what i said, and that is always appreciated.

 i meant to say, "as far as declarative-style expansion of webkit to other
programming languages is concerned, through language bindings..."

 which is of course completely different.

 so, i apologise for taking up your time with a mistake on my part,
 i had assumed that it would be clear from the context, as this patch
 provides language bindings and thus opens up webkit in an exciting
 new way for free software.

 now - specifically regarding the projects that you mention, i _would_
 go and look through them to see if there are any language bindings to
 DOM, but, given that this is the only place where that is done, i can
 say with a high degree of confidence that they don't make use of this
 patch.

 so, epiphany, midori, empathy and devhelp are quite happily using
 webkitgtk+ but they are not using python, vala or any other dynamic 
 language (other than javascript)  to manipulate the DOM model in any way,
 shape or form.

 so in that regard, your point is moot, and i apologise once again for
 not making things clear enough such that you felt it necessary to defend
 these projects.

 if this patch was affecting or contributing to the _core_ functionality,
 for example if it was a performance improvement or a port of webkitgtk+
 to an esoteric embedded system or something, then you would be absolutely
 correct in defending those projects.

 but, this is a _massive_ enhancement that has no bearing on those
 projects at all, so it is a moot point.



> 3. You, as always, see your project as the most important thing on earth, 

 ahh, there, now, you're making assumptions, which is always a bad idea,
 and as an experienced free software developer, i am surprised that you
 would make such assumptions.

 surely you did not mean to make such an assumption, but i cannot guess
 what you meant to say.

 perhaps you might like to make a correction to your statement which will
 help the technical progression of this work?

 otherwise, your statement might be misconstrued as ... gosh, how to put
 this without causing offense... "gesturing" is perhaps the most
 diplomatic word.  i trust that you will in no way take offense by me
 merely pointing out how your assumption might be viewed, and that you
 will immediately take the time to correct any assumptions or mistaken
 impressions that _i_ might have.

 in this way, it will be possible for us to move forward on a sound
 footing, with no assumptions made that could aggravate the development
 of this work, such that we can move forward on the progression of
 free software and of this particular part of it.

> and
> probably as more representative of the Free Software community than any of the
> other projects. I'm sorry to tell you it is not.

 i'm sorry, gustavo, but i am very confused by the purpose and the intent
 behind these statements.

 i cannot see any technical or strategic merit behind them which helps
 contribute to webkit or to the progression of this patch.

 perhaps you might like to send a message which indicates to future readers
 that you apologise for making assumptions about me, apologise for taking
 up peoples' time and asking the comment to be disregarded from the
 discussions.

 as a member of the webkit team and as an experienced free software
 developer, i look forward to hearing further input from you which
 contributes to the technical and strategic progress of this work.

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