[webkit-dev] Another WPT bite

[Sam Weinig]

> On May 12, 2017, at 2:10 PM, Simon Fraser <simon.fraser at apple.com> wrote:
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>> On May 12, 2017, at 12:04 PM, Alexey Proskuryakov <ap at webkit.org <mailto:ap at webkit.org>> wrote:
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>>> 12 мая 2017 г., в 11:52, Ben Kelly <ben at wanderview.com <mailto:ben at wanderview.com>> написал(а):
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>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Rick Byers <rbyers at chromium.org <mailto:rbyers at chromium.org>> wrote:
>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Alexey Proskuryakov <ap at webkit.org <mailto:ap at webkit.org>> wrote:
>>> Since imported WPT tests are very flaky, and are not necessarily written to defend against important regressions, investigating issues with them is relatively lower priority than investigating issues observed with WebKit tests. So I would recommend not mixing tests for WebKit regressions with WPT tests - if your test eventually ends up in LayoutTests/imported, it will become a lot less effective.
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>>> FWIW this is absolutely NOT how we're treating this in chromium.  If this is how things end up in practice then we will have failed massively in this effort.
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>>> We figure if we want the web to behave consistently, we really have no choice but to treat web-platform-tests as first class with all the discipline we give to our own tests.  As such we are actively moving <https://codereview.chromium.org/2877673004> many of our LayoutTests to web-platform-tests and depending entirely on the regression prevention they provide us from there.  Obviously there will be hiccups, but because our product quality will depend on web-platform-tests being an effective and non-flaky testsuite (and because we're starting to require most new features have web-platform-tests before they ship), I'm confident that we've got the incentives in place to lead to constant ratcheting up the engineering discipline and quality of the test suite.
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>>> FWIW, mozilla also treats WPT as first class tests.  We're not actively moving old tests to WPT like google, but all new tests (at least in DOM) are being written in WPT.  Of course, we do have exceptions for some tests that require gecko-specific features (forcing GC, etc).
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>> We don't have a concept of "first class", but I hope that when choosing between looking into a simple test that was added for a known important bug, and looking into an imported test whose importance is unclear, any WebKit engineer will pick the former. And since no one can fix all the things, such prioritization makes imported tests less effective.
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> I just ran into a classic example of how a WPT incurred more overhead. I made a code change that broke LayoutTests/imported/w3c/web-platform-tests/cssom-view/elementFromPoint.html. I tried loading it in Safari and it doesn't run the test code because it can't find /resources/testharness.js when loaded from a local file.
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> So then I have to figure out how to fire up the WPT server (run-webkit-httpd), then figure out which host to use (localhost or 128.0.0.1?) and which port, and finally to figure out the right path to the test.
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> There's no reason this test should not work when loaded from file://.

I regret piling on here, as I think this thread has diverged from it’s original purpose, but…I understand this frustration. That said, perhaps this is something we can solve with some tooling. For instance, a run-test-in-safari (as a parallel to run-safari) script could be made which starts the server, and then loads the test with the right URL in your built Safari (or MiniBrowser, or whatever).  

- Sam



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