[webkit-dev] The green tree era

Maciej Stachowiak mjs at apple.com
Sun Apr 4 16:30:42 PDT 2010

On Apr 4, 2010, at 8:12 AM, Adam Barth wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Darin Adler <darin at apple.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 3, 2010, at 10:36 AM, Adam Barth wrote:
>>> Keeping the tree green will require a cultural shift in the  
>>> project, but I think the near term costs of changing the culture  
>>> are outweighed by the long term gains in productivity.
>> Typically a cultural shift would come after some sort of group  
>> discussion, rather than being announced on the mailing list as a  
>> fait accompli.
> We've been discussing this on the mailing list for a while.

To comment on the below: I think sheriffbot partly fulfills my request  
for better notification (there's still no email notification) but not  
my request to have a human being in charge of maintaining greenness  
for each port. I will see if I can recruit somebody to be the (human)  
sheriff for Apple's ports.

That being said, I think Darin's objection was not to the sheriffbot  
tool, but rather to declaring that based on it we now need to have a  
culture shift. I think that may have just been a case of infelicitous  
word choice. A better way to frame it would have been: "We now have  
this additional tool. Let's figure out how to make good use of it.  
Here are some ideas for how we could do that."


> * https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2010-February/011562.html
> This email in particular, in which Maciej asks someone to build a bot
> that does precisely what sheriffbot does:
> [[
> I'd actually like to see it email a mailing list, in addition to the
> individuals it guesses are to blame. That could be either webkit-dev
> or a new list. Maybe some won't want the spam but I bet a lot of
> people would like to find out about every build break. If it's at all
> possible, it would be great to email all of the patch author, the
> reviewer and the committer (if different from the patch author).
> I also think it would be neat if we could have a bot that alerts about
> build breaks on IRC in #webkit.
> And finally, it might be good to have extra notice if a build remains
> broken for some time (every 24 hours maybe?)
> ]]

> * https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2010-February/011792.html
> In which Maciej again asks that we have a sheriff (although I think he
> had a human rather than a machine in mind):
> [[
> What I'd prefer to see is that the sheriff
> the person primarily responsible for reverting broken patches if not
> fixed in a timely manner. Then we could have some human judgment in
> the process and specific people with clear responsibility.
> ]]

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