[webkit-dev] WebKit and Khronos Group

Maciej Stachowiak mjs at apple.com
Sat Aug 8 14:02:41 PDT 2009

On Aug 8, 2009, at 11:39 AM, Harry Underwood wrote:

> Thanks for the link. Didn't even know that WebGL is being considered  
> by WebKit.

What Oliver showed you is patches to pretty much fully implement it,  
done by an Apple employee. So we're doing more than considering it. I  
expect there will be more to announce when the patches land.

> But another question, if you don't mind. Is O3D considered as a  
> technical competitor or conflict with Apple's CSS and SVG  
> extensions, or should it be considered as such?

We do have some extensions to do 3D transforms with CSS, creating  
"2.5D" visuals with flat CSS boxes manipulated in 3D, and fully  
integrated with the page content. For example, you can use it to apply  
3D effects to a navigation menu or a video. O3D is much more about  
creating full 3D models and scenes, without tight integration with the  
Web content. In that respect, O3D is more of a competitor for WebGL  
than 3D transforms/transitions.


> Harry
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Mark Rowe <mrowe at apple.com> wrote:
> On 2009-08-08, at 11:25, Harry Underwood wrote:
>> Hello all, just a few questions.
>> I was reading a post on Ars Technica from earlier this week  
>> concerning the Khronos Group's announcement of a partnership on  
>> WebGL development with Google, Mozilla and Opera. Weirdly, I didn't  
>> see Apple in that list, or WebKit for that matter.
>> Is Apple and/or WebKit abstaining from WebGL because Google is  
>> promoting a seemingly-competing product, O3D, as opposed to your  
>> efforts with CSS 2D/3D Transforms and Animations? Or is it because  
>> WebGL, as announced by Khronos Group, simply doesn't yet take CSS  
>> (or SVG) into technical account for hardware accelerated 3D Web  
>> graphics?
> <http://webkit.org/b/28018> Need to implement Canvas3d/WebGL for 3D  
> rendering
> - Mark
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