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title="REOPENED - AX: accessibles for focusable/interactive <tbody> elements or elements with ARIA role='rowgroup'"
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title="REOPENED - AX: accessibles for focusable/interactive <tbody> elements or elements with ARIA role='rowgroup'"
href="https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146239#c4">Comment # 4</a>
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title="REOPENED - AX: accessibles for focusable/interactive <tbody> elements or elements with ARIA role='rowgroup'"
href="https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146239">bug 146239</a>
from <span class="vcard"><a class="email" href="mailto:jdiggs@igalia.com" title="Joanmarie Diggs (irc: joanie) <jdiggs@igalia.com>"> <span class="fn">Joanmarie Diggs (irc: joanie)</span></a>
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<pre>(In reply to <a href="show_bug.cgi?id=146239#c2">comment #2</a>)
<span class="quote">> rowgroups should not be focusable. We added this to ARIA purely so that we
> could make the algorithm for presentational inheritance work. See
> #presentation:
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> <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/complete#presentation">http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/complete#presentation</a>
> "Likewise, although an HTML table element does not have an implicit native
> semantic role corresponding directly to a WAI-ARIA role, the implicit native
> semantics of its thead/tbody/tfoot/tr/th/td descendants will also be
> removed, because the HTML specification indicates that these are required
> structural descendants of the table element."
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> The role mapping for "rowgroup" was explicitly defined as "no mapping" but
> unfortunately Alex didn't get the memo and added it to Firefox.</span >
I agree with you in spirit: Mapping rowgroups on my platform results in objects with ATK_ROLE_PANEL showing up in yet another place where they (imho) don't belong. By the same token, an author can make a rowgroup interactive. If an author does that, how do we then make that interactive rowgroup accessible if we've pruned it from the tree?
<span class="quote">> ARIA 1.1 should be updated to make it clear that making a rowgroup focusable
> is an authoring error.</span >
We could.... However, I fear that the outcome of stating in the spec that "making a rowgroup focusable is an authoring error" won't be that authors cease JavaScripting rowgroups into interactivity (and thus solving the mapping problem); instead, they'll just remove the tabindex, leaving us with a non-keyboard-focusable interactive rowgroup. So unless we can make it clear that making a rowgroup interactive is an authoring error, I think we do need to map rowgroup -- at least the interactive ones. And I think we do not want to do anything that encourages authors to remove tabindex from their interactive rowgroups.
I'm reopening this bug. If you (James) believe that an *interactive* rowgroup should never be exposed on your platform, let's slap an "[ATK]" into the bug's summary. Because as much as I don't like the idea, I've come to accept the fact that this practice exists in the wild and that we need to cope with it as best we can. :-/</pre>
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