<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="" applecontenteditable="true"><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 14, 2017, at 3:08 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri <<a href="mailto:barbieri@profusion.mobi" class="">barbieri@profusion.mobi</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">yes,</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Sad, but as no big company is using the webkit-efl port at the time,</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">we have no (or few?) guys paid to hack on it full time.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">My company is rather small, so we need backing customers to continue</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">our work... like the current patchset to come.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Not ideal, but if we could at least keep WebKit-EFL build bots and try</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">to keep them green would be of great help for smaller users like us.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>Having to keep a port building when nobody is available to work on it exclusively adds a lot of burden. We’ve had other in similar positions removed simply so we could move WebKit forward.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Konstantin Tokarev maintains a Qt port at <a href="https://github.com/annulen/webkit" class="">https://github.com/annulen/webkit</a> - sounds like you could do something like that.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>- Anders</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 1:01 AM, Gyuyoung Kim <</span><a href="mailto:gyuyoung.kim@webkit.org" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">gyuyoung.kim@webkit.org</a><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">> wrote:</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">Hi,<br class=""><br class="">I agree that we should have enough people to keep EFL port on upstream.<br class=""><br class="">Unfortunately I guess there will be no enough people to maintain EFL port<br class="">even If I've done my internal work.<br class="">So, If other maintainers or volunteers put their hand up for EFL port, it<br class="">seems to me that EFL port has a time to go downstream.<br class=""><br class="">Gyuyoung.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 3:35 AM, Alex Christensen <<a href="mailto:achristensen@apple.com" class="">achristensen@apple.com</a>><br class="">wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">Are there enough people working on EFL that we could ping someone with a<br class="">desired architecture improvement and have them do significant code redesign<br class="">in a reasonable amount of time? We can add stubs and do minor things<br class="">blindly, but sometimes bigger tasks require cooperation. For example,<br class=""><a href="https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167096" class="">https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167096</a> should also be done on the<br class="">EFL WebGL implementation.<br class=""><br class="">On Feb 13, 2017, at 3:08 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri<br class=""><<a href="mailto:barbieri@profusion.mobi" class="">barbieri@profusion.mobi</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Hi guys,<br class=""><br class="">I have a small team working with WebKit-EFL as well, we're working on<br class="">a different platform supported by EFL but not WebKit-EFL, so it's a<br class="">series of minor patches to allow WebKit-EFL to run on Fbdev and<br class="">without GL stack.<br class=""><br class="">Patches will reach <a href="http://bugs.webkit.org" class="">bugs.webkit.org</a> soon.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 2:10 AM, Joonghun Park <<a href="mailto:sypjh0718@hotmail.com" class="">sypjh0718@hotmail.com</a>><br class="">wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Hi, Anders.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">You could count me as a member of EFL port too.<br class=""><br class="">I couldn't get in touch with EFL port because of some internal works,<br class=""><br class="">but I'm planning to work in it.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Some other people of EFL port is in the same situation, but I think<br class="">they'll<br class="">get back sooner or later.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">- Joonghun (<a href="mailto:jh718.park@samsung.com" class="">jh718.park@samsung.com</a>)<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">________________________________<br class="">From: <a href="mailto:webkit-dev-bounces@lists.webkit.org" class="">webkit-dev-bounces@lists.webkit.org</a><br class=""><<a href="mailto:webkit-dev-bounces@lists.webkit.org" class="">webkit-dev-bounces@lists.webkit.org</a>> on behalf of Anders Carlsson<br class=""><<a href="mailto:andersca@apple.com" class="">andersca@apple.com</a>><br class="">Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 6:21 PM<br class="">To: Gyuyoung Kim<br class="">Cc: WebKit-Dev Development<br class="">Subject: Re: [webkit-dev] EFL port?<br class=""><br class="">Hi,<br class=""><br class="">Are you the only one working on the EFL port?<br class=""><br class="">- Anders<br class=""><br class="">On Feb 10, 2017, at 1:40 AM, Gyuyoung Kim <<a href="mailto:gyuyoung.kim@webkit.org" class="">gyuyoung.kim@webkit.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Hello,<br class=""><br class="">To be honest, very few people have worked for EFL port recently. In my<br class="">case<br class="">it was hard to maintain EFL port because of internal work.<br class="">However I have a plan to improve EFL port after I finish the work. Even I<br class="">opened a website for EWebKit. <a href="http://www.ewebkit.org" class="">http://www.ewebkit.org</a>.<br class="">Besides I released EWebKit 1.18 version[1] for EFL 1.18 official release.<br class="">Could you give me more time for EFL port ?<br class=""><br class="">Gyuyoung.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">[1] EWebKit 1.18 release announcement.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><a href="https://phab.enlightenment.org/w/efl_and_elementary_1_18_release_announcement/" class="">https://phab.enlightenment.org/w/efl_and_elementary_1_18_release_announcement/</a><br class=""><br class="">EWebkit<br class=""><br class="">Together with this release we are happy to announce that the EWebkit team<br class="">is<br class="">doing a<br class="">release with their work matching the efl 1.18.<br class="">It contains various webkit core as well as EWebkit specific enhancements.<br class="">See the<br class="">NEWS file for details and the http://www.ewebkit.org page for further<br class="">instructions on<br class="">building. We hope to keep future releases of EWebkit aligned with the EFL<br class="">release schedule.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Anders Carlsson <andersca@apple.com><br class="">wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Hello,<br class=""><br class="">Looks like the EFL port isn’t really being worked on anymore. Is this<br class="">true? Can we rip it out?<br class=""><br class="">- Anders<br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">webkit-dev mailing list<br class="">webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org<br class="">https://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">webkit-dev mailing list<br class="">webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org<br class="">https://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">--<br class="">Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri<br class="">http://profusion.mobi embedded systems<br class="">--------------------------------------<br class="">MSN, GTalk, FaceTime: barbieri@gmail.com<br class="">Skype: gsbarbieri<br class="">Mobile: +55 (16) 99354-9890<br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">webkit-dev mailing list<br class="">webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org<br class="">https://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">webkit-dev mailing list<br class="">webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org<br class="">https://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote><br class=""></blockquote><br style="font-family: Helvetica; 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