[webkit-dev] HbbTV support within Webkit

[Adam Barth]

A good start would be a freely available, free to implement, open standard.

Adam
 On Oct 13, 2012 7:19 PM, "Graham Mudd" <graham.mudd at samsung.com> wrote:

>  I think the objections to this are reasonable and it's probably worth a
> note on why we proposed this.
>
> The problem with the HbbTV standard is that it's not just a paper spec
> anymore, it's now widely deployed in several European countries.
>
> Germany is the leading market for HbbTV, but there are many other
> countries lining up to follow suit.
>
> As a result, there are probably millions of CE devices out there which
> support HbbTV - and I'm pretty sure it will be tens of millions soon (if it
> isn't already).
>
> There are also a large number of live apps now, with plenty more in
> development. I'm not sure if that qualifies as a "wealth of existing
> content", but it's there.
>
> So for better or worse, as the developers of TV software we have to build
> HbbTV capability into our stack. And I know we aren't the only CE device
> maker using WebKit to do this, so we offered up the patches to see if there
> was any interest in incorporating them.
>
> Now we have a definitive answer, we'll have to find a plan B.
>
> Given your points about the direction of WebKit in general, we will raise
> these issues with the group that develops the standard. Maybe there are
> things that can be made more WebKit friendly in HbbTV 2.0.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Graham
>
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> ------- *Original Message* -------
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> *Sender* : Randall Bennett<randall.bennett at gmail.com>
>
> *Date* : Oct 12, 2012 21:20 (GMT+01:00)
>
> *Title* : Re: [webkit-dev] HbbTV support within Webkit
>
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> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs at apple.com>wrote:
>
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>> On Oct 11, 2012, at 7:40 AM, Mark Toller <mark.toller at samsung.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Dominik Röttsches [mailto:dominik.rottsches at intel.com]
>> >>
>> >> On 10/10/2012 10:26 AM, Mark Toller wrote:
>> >>> What we would like to see initially is Webkit based browsers (Chrome,
>> >>> Safari, Minibrowser, etc) actually load HbbTV pages instead of asking
>> >>> the user to download the content - this would indirectly benefit the
>> >>> end goal of Webkit (to get everyone to support standard W3C/HTML5)...
>> >>
>> >> This particular change is just a matter of adding one more displayable
>> >> mime-type, right?
>> >
>> > Almost. I've created a bug and patch for this particular change:
>> >
>> > https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99049
>> >
>> > As someone else stated, I think the best approach is to create
>> > a bug for each change we consider worthwhile, and then they can be
>> > considered individually.
>>
>> I don't think we should take this change or accept this feature in
>> general. It seems that of those who have spoken up, the WebKit community is
>> not in favor of this direction.
>>
>
>
> Even though the specific change in that patch is relatively small,
>> supporting custom MIME types has significant disadvantages:
>>
>> - Creates interoperability issues with other browsers.
>> - Fragments the web
>> - Opens us up to further requests to add support for similarly niche MIME
>> types in the future
>>
>> If CE-HTML and HbbTV content is fine to process as ordinary HTML, then it
>> should be served with text/html MIME type. That would avoid all of these
>> problems. If a consortium decided to create custom mime types instead, then
>> they made a mistake and should fix it. In some cases, when the technology
>> is compelling or there is a wealth of existing content, we live with
>> arguable errors in the standard. But neither of those considerations
>> applies here.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Maciej
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>
>  +1. As someone who builds applications specifically for TV producers, I
> feel that this custom mime type is the first in a series of bad moves.
>
> Why doesn't the HBB group form its own W3 style group? I think this is
> just heading in the wrong direction.
>
> rb
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