[webkit-dev] XHR responseArrayBuffer attribute
kbr at google.com
Thu Sep 30 10:46:40 PDT 2010
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Chris Marrin <cmarrin at apple.com> wrote:
> On Sep 29, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
> ...The idea is that when an ArrayBuffer is sent via postMessage, it is
> atomically "closed" on this side; its publicly visible length goes to
> 0, as do the lengths of any views referring to it. On the other side,
> a new ArrayBuffer wrapper object is synthesized, pointing to the same
> storage and with the original length.
> To be able to reuse the same memory region over and over again, the
> other side would simply send the ArrayBuffer back for re-filling via
> postMessage. Ping-ponging ArrayBuffers back and forth achieves
> zero-copy transfer of large amounts of data while still maintaining
> the shared-nothing semantic. The only allocations are for the (tiny)
> ArrayBuffer wrapper objects, but the underlying storage is stable.
> Implementing this idea will require a couple of minor additions to the
> TypedArray specification (in particular, the addition of a "close"
> method on ArrayBuffer) as well as defining the semantics of sending an
> ArrayBuffer via postMessage. I hope to prototype it soon.
> Regarding your scenario, I would simply post the ArrayBuffer from the
> XHR object to the worker with the above semantics. The main thread
> would then not be able to access the data in the ArrayBuffer, but
> sending it to the worker for processing would not involve any data
> Sure, transfer semantics avoid shared mutable state, though it would be
> inconsistent with most other "pure data" types. But what if you have some
> data that doesn't need mutating but you'd like to share with multiple other
> Workers? Now you'd be forced to explicitly copy. The availability of an
> immutable variant would let you avoid that. At most, you'd need to copy once
> if your ArrayBuffer started immutable; or you could have the ability to
> convert mutable to immutable at runtime (it would have to be a one-way
> conversion, of course).
> I'm thinking about how this would be implemented. Ken talks about a "close"
> function to make it possible to pass an ArrayBuffer to a worker. If I have
> it right, this would detach the contents of the ArrayBuffer from it's owning
> object, replacing it with a 0 length buffer. Then the worker attaches the
> contents to a new ArrayBuffer owned by the worker. To do that we'd need to
> figure out the "magic" of passing this bare buffer to the worker. An
> ImmutableArrayBuffer would not need any such magic. But without any
> additional functionality, you'd always need an additional copy (even it's a
> copy-on-write) for Maciej's example.
> In Maciej's example, he wants to take an incoming buffer and pass it to a
> worker, presumably so it can be mutated into something else. So you'd pass
> the ImmutableArrayBuffer to the worker (no copy) and it would create a new
> ArrayBuffer with one or more views which it would fill with the mutated
> data. But to pass this buffer back to the main thread, you'd need to convert
> this ArrayBuffer to an ImmutableArrayBuffer, which would require some sort
> of copy.
> What's needed is a way to pass that ArrayBuffer back to the main thread
> without a copy. So maybe we just need a function like Ken's "close" but
> without the magic. A makeImmutable() function could be called on the
> ArrayBuffer, which would create a new ImmutableArrayBuffer, attach the
> contents of the ArrayBuffer to it and set the contents of the ArrayBuffer to
> a 0 length buffer, as in Ken's design.
> So now you'd pass the incoming ImmutableArrayBuffer to the worker, create a
> new ArrayBuffer for the mutated data, fill it, call makeImmutable on it and
> return the result. No copies would be needed. Once the process starts, the
> old buffers can be recycled to avoid memory allocations as well.
> Would something like that work?
I can see the need both for immutable data and transfer semantics. I
don't think that adding a new type (ImmutableArrayBuffer) is the right
way to do it, because it significantly complicates the type hierarchy.
Rather, I think immutability should be a read-only property on the
ArrayBuffer, set at creation time, and affecting the kinds of views
that can be attached to it. I'll raise the issue and a proposal on the
public_webgl mailing list.
More information about the webkit-dev