Editable selection inside empty element
Hi, It is a pleasure to say that FCKeditor is almost completely working with Safari. There are still some issues, but we'll be able to finally declare official support for Safari 3. Thanks for the hard work at WebKit's side. Now, back to the point... For the few big issues we are having with Safari, I'm going almost crazy, trying to find a way to place the caret inside an empty element for editing. To understand the problem, just try the following page: http://www.fredck.com/bugs/safari/collapsed_select_test.html This page works well with Firefox 2 and Opera 9.5 (minor issues with this one). Before opening a bug report for it, I'm coming to the mailing list for a desperate call for help. Does anyone know any weird hack to make the magic happen with Safari too? I've tried hundreds of combinations, but none worked correctly. Thanks for any help in this sense. Fred Frederico Caldeira Knabben Project Manager, FCKeditor ---- http://www.fckeditor.net
Hi, I am not sure I understand the issue, since I am getting the same behaviour in Safari 3 and the latest webkit nightly build, as I am in Firefox and Opera 9.5 Basically what I am seeing when the page loads up is a flashing caret between the two square brackets. I can then type in text in the area specified. Andre On 21-Sep-07, at 07:53 , Frederico Caldeira Knabben wrote:
Hi,
It is a pleasure to say that FCKeditor is almost completely working with Safari. There are still some issues, but we'll be able to finally declare official support for Safari 3. Thanks for the hard work at WebKit's side.
Now, back to the point...
For the few big issues we are having with Safari, I'm going almost crazy, trying to find a way to place the caret inside an empty element for editing. To understand the problem, just try the following page:
http://www.fredck.com/bugs/safari/collapsed_select_test.html
This page works well with Firefox 2 and Opera 9.5 (minor issues with this one).
Before opening a bug report for it, I'm coming to the mailing list for a desperate call for help.
Does anyone know any weird hack to make the magic happen with Safari too? I've tried hundreds of combinations, but none worked correctly.
Thanks for any help in this sense.
Fred
Frederico Caldeira Knabben Project Manager, FCKeditor ---- http://www.fckeditor.net
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On 21/09/2007, at 21:53, Frederico Caldeira Knabben wrote:
For the few big issues we are having with Safari, I'm going almost crazy, trying to find a way to place the caret inside an empty element for editing. To understand the problem, just try the following page:
http://www.fredck.com/bugs/safari/collapsed_select_test.html
This page works well with Firefox 2 and Opera 9.5 (minor issues with this one).
Before opening a bug report for it, I'm coming to the mailing list for a desperate call for help.
Please do file a bug report on this at http://bugs.webkit.org/. I'm not an expert on editing support by any means, but the behaviour you are expecting to see from the test case sounds correct. On an unrelated note,
// For Safari and Opera, we must ensure the focus. if ( (/safari/i).test( navigator.userAgent ) )
It is almost never correct to test for "Safari" specifically. WebKit is what you should be aiming to detect. This will ensure that your code functions correctly in other WebKit-based browsers, such as OmniWeb, Shiira, NetNewsWire, etc. Kind regards, Mark Rowe
Thanks for the reply Mark. I've filled the following bug for it: http://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15256
On an unrelated note, // For Safari and Opera, we must ensure the focus. if ( (/safari/i).test( navigator.userAgent ) )
It is almost never correct to test for "Safari" specifically. WebKit is what you should be aiming to detect. This will ensure that your code functions correctly in other WebKit-based browsers, such as OmniWeb, Shiira, NetNewsWire, etc.
That was just useful for the TC. But you are right; I'll take care of using the recommended way: (/ AppleWebKit\//).test( navigator.userAgent ) Thanks again! Fred Frederico Caldeira Knabben Project Manager, FCKeditor ---- http://www.fckeditor.net ________________________________________ From: Mark Rowe [mailto:bdash@webkit.org] Sent: 21 September 2007 21:59 To: Frederico Caldeira Knabben Cc: webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org Subject: Re: [webkit-dev] Editable selection inside empty element On 21/09/2007, at 21:53, Frederico Caldeira Knabben wrote: For the few big issues we are having with Safari, I'm going almost crazy, trying to find a way to place the caret inside an empty element for editing. To understand the problem, just try the following page: http://www.fredck.com/bugs/safari/collapsed_select_test.html This page works well with Firefox 2 and Opera 9.5 (minor issues with this one). Before opening a bug report for it, I'm coming to the mailing list for a desperate call for help. Please do file a bug report on this at http://bugs.webkit.org/. I'm not an expert on editing support by any means, but the behaviour you are expecting to see from the test case sounds correct. On an unrelated note, // For Safari and Opera, we must ensure the focus. if ( (/safari/i).test( navigator.userAgent ) ) It is almost never correct to test for "Safari" specifically. WebKit is what you should be aiming to detect. This will ensure that your code functions correctly in other WebKit-based browsers, such as OmniWeb, Shiira, NetNewsWire, etc. Kind regards, Mark Rowe
(sorry for the duplicate) On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 12:11:27PM +0200, Frederico Caldeira Knabben <fredck@fckeditor.net> wrote:
Thanks for the reply Mark. I've filled the following bug for it:
http://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15256
On an unrelated note, // For Safari and Opera, we must ensure the focus. if ( (/safari/i).test( navigator.userAgent ) )
It is almost never correct to test for "Safari" specifically. WebKit is what you should be aiming to detect. This will ensure that your code functions correctly in other WebKit-based browsers, such as OmniWeb, Shiira, NetNewsWire, etc.
That was just useful for the TC. But you are right; I'll take care of using the recommended way:
(/ AppleWebKit\//).test( navigator.userAgent )
Actually, this is as bad as testing for safari. You should test features, not user agents. Mike
There are various different ways to test whether features work not so well.
Not in the TC case... anyway, I'm not really here to advocate the best way to do so. I'm sorry that the focus has been moved to the browser detection. I really hope some nice workaround suggestion could be found for the selection problem instead. Thanks for your comments Mike. Fred
-----Original Message----- From: Mike Hommey [mailto:mh+webkit@glandium.org] Sent: 22 September 2007 12:20 To: Frederico Caldeira Knabben Cc: 'Mark Rowe'; webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org Subject: Re: [webkit-dev] Editable selection inside empty element
(sorry for the duplicate)
On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 12:11:27PM +0200, Frederico Caldeira Knabben <fredck@fckeditor.net> wrote:
Thanks for the reply Mark. I've filled the following bug for it:
http://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15256
On an unrelated note, // For Safari and Opera, we must ensure the focus. if ( (/safari/i).test( navigator.userAgent ) )
It is almost never correct to test for "Safari" specifically. WebKit is what you should be aiming to detect. This will ensure that your code functions correctly in other WebKit-based browsers, such as OmniWeb, Shiira, NetNewsWire, etc.
That was just useful for the TC. But you are right; I'll take care of using the recommended way:
(/ AppleWebKit\//).test( navigator.userAgent )
Actually, this is as bad as testing for safari. You should test features, not user agents.
Mike
On 21-Sep-07, at 15:58 , Mark Rowe wrote:
On 21/09/2007, at 21:53, Frederico Caldeira Knabben wrote:
For the few big issues we are having with Safari, I'm going almost crazy, trying to find a way to place the caret inside an empty element for editing. To understand the problem, just try the following page:
http://www.fredck.com/bugs/safari/collapsed_select_test.html
This page works well with Firefox 2 and Opera 9.5 (minor issues with this one).
Before opening a bug report for it, I'm coming to the mailing list for a desperate call for help.
Please do file a bug report on this at http://bugs.webkit.org/. I'm not an expert on editing support by any means, but the behaviour you are expecting to see from the test case sounds correct.
On an unrelated note,
// For Safari and Opera, we must ensure the focus. if ( (/safari/i).test( navigator.userAgent ) )
Or even better for the presence of a DOM element, since DOMs can change even if the browser doesn't. Andre
Hi Fred, I was struggling with the same issue of setting the selected DOM range to an empty element. I believe there's a bug filed on it. <http://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10883> <http://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10881> What I've been toying with is adding zero-width spaces to elements and then cleaning up after those characters or the elements themselves if the author doesn't add content to the element. Its a pretty serious bug however for any editor trying to do real semantic editing. Take care, Rob On Sep 21, 2007, at 6:53 AM, Frederico Caldeira Knabben wrote:
Hi,
It is a pleasure to say that FCKeditor is almost completely working with Safari. There are still some issues, but we'll be able to finally declare official support for Safari 3. Thanks for the hard work at WebKit's side.
Now, back to the point...
For the few big issues we are having with Safari, I'm going almost crazy, trying to find a way to place the caret inside an empty element for editing. To understand the problem, just try the following page:
http://www.fredck.com/bugs/safari/collapsed_select_test.html
This page works well with Firefox 2 and Opera 9.5 (minor issues with this one).
Before opening a bug report for it, I'm coming to the mailing list for a desperate call for help.
Does anyone know any weird hack to make the magic happen with Safari too? I've tried hundreds of combinations, but none worked correctly.
Thanks for any help in this sense.
Fred
Frederico Caldeira Knabben Project Manager, FCKeditor ---- http://www.fckeditor.net
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Rob, I've filled the following ticket: http://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15256 I think it has nothing to do with 10881 (which is a serious bug I think I've faced too), and I'm unsure about it's relation with 10883. I'm leaving core developers to decide here. Fred
-----Original Message----- From: Rob Burns [mailto:robburns1@mac.com] Sent: 22 September 2007 04:19 To: Frederico Caldeira Knabben Cc: webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org Subject: Re: [webkit-dev] Editable selection inside empty element
Hi Fred,
I was struggling with the same issue of setting the selected DOM range to an empty element. I believe there's a bug filed on it.
<http://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10883> <http://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10881>
What I've been toying with is adding zero-width spaces to elements and then cleaning up after those characters or the elements themselves if the author doesn't add content to the element.
Its a pretty serious bug however for any editor trying to do real semantic editing.
Take care, Rob
On Sep 21, 2007, at 6:53 AM, Frederico Caldeira Knabben wrote:
Hi,
It is a pleasure to say that FCKeditor is almost completely working with Safari. There are still some issues, but we'll be able to finally declare official support for Safari 3. Thanks for the hard work at WebKit's side.
Now, back to the point...
For the few big issues we are having with Safari, I'm going almost crazy, trying to find a way to place the caret inside an empty element for editing. To understand the problem, just try the following page:
http://www.fredck.com/bugs/safari/collapsed_select_test.html
This page works well with Firefox 2 and Opera 9.5 (minor issues with this one).
Before opening a bug report for it, I'm coming to the mailing list for a desperate call for help.
Does anyone know any weird hack to make the magic happen with Safari too? I've tried hundreds of combinations, but none worked correctly.
Thanks for any help in this sense.
Fred
Frederico Caldeira Knabben Project Manager, FCKeditor ---- http://www.fckeditor.net
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Andre-John Mas
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Frederico Caldeira Knabben
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Mark Rowe
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Mike Hommey
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Rob Burns