Hello, This is a plea for help. I have a project for which I need to get the rendered outline of a DOM element. For my purposes, using the DOM offsetWidth and offsetHeight, combined with the offsetLeft and offsetTop (with the offsetParent's coords) gives me what I need in most cases. However, when dealing with <tr> elements, it appears as though WebKit is returning a value of zero in all cases. I have two questions: 1. How difficult would it be to calculate the offsetWidth and offsetHeight for the <tr> element, given that it currently does not work? 2. Is there a better / more efficient way to get the rendered outline (box) of a DOM node? My current code falls a bit short in some situations -- <td> cells don't always extend all the way to their cell edge, inline elements that start near the end of the line and contain a soft break appear to be a single block extending off of the screen, that sort of thing. If there's a better way to go about this, please let me know. Stephen Deken stephen.deken@gmail.com